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June 14, 2008 03:29 PM UTC
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ye gads, the blog is being gentrified…..the money’s moving in…
From the beginning of June until the primary.
make me miss Ruthie and Sybil. Gawd I hope that split personality resurfaces.
Bernie Buscher is running for re-election, and will probably be running for Speaker come Jan.
you have to throw them back.
For all of you
new membersRepublican sock puppets, here is the reason ColoradoPols is so popular – the weekly Russian Music Video post.from CNN we have:
And from the Hotline/Diageo poll we have:
And to help counter these the Republicans have Giuliani stepping up – for a price:
It’s a good year to be a Dem.
Go to Barack Obama’s web page and what do you see? (from DailyKOS):
This is the action of someone who is presidential as opposed to someone who is merely a politician. Regardless of policy, isn’t this what we want to see in our president?
Any chance this can disintegrate into the GOP-version of Re-create ’68?
Doesn’t have the balls to pull anything like that off.
I met with Congressman Paul in his congressional fffice with Senator Gravel. The guy doesn’t really do anything, he’s all about theory.
Curse of Libertarianism, I suppose.
If the south would’ve won we’d a had it made,
I’d prob’ly run for President of the Southern State.
The day Elvis passed away would be our national holiday,
If the South would a won we’d a had it made.
I’d make my Supreme Court down in Texas,
and we wouldn’t have no killers gettin’ off free.
If they were proven guilty, then they would swing quickly,
instead of writin’ books and smilin’ on T.V.
We’d all learn Cajun cookin in Louisiana,
and I’d put that capital back in Alabama.
We’d put Florida on the right track ’cause, we’d take Miami back,
and throw all them pushers in the slammer.
If the South would’ve won we’d a had it made,
I’d prob’ly run for President of the Southern States.
The day young Skynyrd died we’d show our Southern Pride,
if the South would a won we’d a had it made.
I’d have all the whiskey made in Tennessee,
and all the horses raised in those Kentucky hills.
The national treasury would be in Tupelo, Mississippi
and I’d put Hank William’s picture on one hundred dollar bills.
I’d have all the cars made in the Carolina’s,
and I’d ban all the ones made in China.
I’d have every girl and child sent to Georgia to learn to smile,
and talk with that southern accent that drives me wild.
I’d have all the fiddles made in Virginia
cause they sure can make ’em sound so fine.
I’m goin up on Wolverton mountain and see ole Clifton Clowers
and have a sip of his good ole Arkansas wine.
Hey, if the South woulda won we’d a had it made.
I’d prob’ly run for President of the Southern States.
When Patsy Cline passed away that would be our national holiday,
if the South woulda won we’d a had it made.
I know you couldn’t help yourself.
Is that your writing? Now, I know that you express yourself well, but I wouldn’t have given you credit for that. Am I wrong?
I don’t recall ever hearing that you are from the South. Wrong again?
And don’t forget the South still has rather low educational levels and disdain for education, and low “Right to work for less” wages. And once upon a time beri-beri and other diseases of diet.
It’s a lot better than it was, but it ain’t no paradise. And I didn’t even mention Jim Crow. But I do love “Dixie!”
Those are the Lyics to a Hank Williams Jr Song.
Click below to hear the song:
So, no, under my personal radar.
How is life in Florida?
I won’t say “welcome back” anymore because I’ve said it after about five of your other absences. Don’t take it personally, it just seems like a waste. And others like parsing will probably give you that anyway.
BUT… onto what I want to ask you… Are you also posting as “Liberalism is a Sickness?” That poster has let slip some personal details about his life that seem very much a match to some of yours. If so, why the sockpuppet?
many times.
His thoughts are almost identical to mine in many ways, but not me.
I have been reading this blog because as you know it is addictive, but I have not been writing as I have been fighting the urge to fight.
So I have spent all my time riding my Titan and TT ridin….(Tavern to tavern)
…we would see a country where one group of human beings held another group in slavery due to the color of their skin.
We would see a moral stain on humanity.
…but slavery probably would have died a natural economic death not long after the war. The rise of technology would have done it.
As I think you and certainly others have pointed out here, human capital is a cheap alternative to investment capital. Massive immigration, mostly of the illegal variety, means farmers don’t need to develop and buy machinery to do many of the jobs. Japan has no cheap labor class and hence is at the frontier of machines that can take care of the elderly, for instance.
Owning slaves had an economic burden and at some point in time the plantation owner that could afford a new fangle tractor didn’t need them anymore.
Slavery is alive and well in places like Mali, central China, Mauritania, Niger, CГґte d’Ivoire, and Burma. I suspect that because the rebellion was based upon preserving an agrarian way of life that if the Confederacy had successfully gained independence that it would have formal slavery for quite some time and an informal slave system up to the present day even as its economy stayed stuck in the past. Sometimes economic forces don’t play out as they ‘should’.
Matthew
The Confederacy actually freed its slaves near the end of the conflict. In fact, Jefferson Davis had approved the use of former slaves as members of the army.
Confederate general Clemens(?) proposed that idea and the response was “if that works all we have fought for is wrong.” it was hushed up immediately and was only discovered in old papers 25 years later.
Slavery would have almost certainly remained in effect into the 1980s. At that time the same efforts as applied to South Africa would probably have forced change.
It would have been outside forces that made I happen. In any playout an immoral philosophy would have won.
The Confederate General who proposed this was Pat Cleburne of the Army of the Tennesee, considered by many the best divisional commander on the Confederate side.
Confederate President Jefferson Davis refused to consider Cleburne’s proposal and forbade further discussion of the idea.
Major General Howell Cobb, a Georgia politician who owned over 1,000 slaves, was shocked by what Cleburne had suggested. “If slaves make good soldiers,” said Cobb, “our whole theory of slavery is wrong.”
While there was some consideration of this in the very final days of the Confederacy, it was a lost cause by then. The earlier response is indicitive of what the Confederacy would have done if they had been successful in becoming independent.
I leave you with this:
– – Frederick Douglass
Not just a proposal by Cleburne.
Go read April 1865 by Jay Winik, it does a far better job of explaining this with specificity than I could.
Jefferson Davis did indeed consider it.
What they would consider then was irrelevant as they knew they had lost. It has no bearing on what they would have done as a country.
Read Shelby Foote’s 3 volume history of the Civil War (which is extraordinary) – it was hushed up very quickly when Cleburne proposed it and the proposal at that time was not discovered until 20+ years later when historians started going through old letters.
By April 1865, it was all over. But it didn’t have to be.
Had the South resorted to guerrilla warfare, there wouldn’t be one United States today. There’d be both a Union and Confederacy.
Decisions were made in those final months which took us to where we are today.
The North had already figured out how to handle guerrilla warfare as Southern troops from Nathanal Forrest to numerous groups in the Shenadoah were doing that in the last year plus of the war.
Ongoing terrorist operations would probably have meant the troops stayed in the South longer, which would have led to African-Americans keeping the right to vote, hold office, etc.
We might have ended up better off in that case. And keep in mind, most people would not have supported that – the war had been devastating to the SOuth.
Ongoing terrorist operations and the resultant occupation would probably have achieved the result of forever alienating the South and making it some kind of perpetually occupied place. Reconstruction was far from perfect, especially in the way that liberated slaves were abandoned, but it did welcome the South back into the United States and made us a stronger Union in the long run.
The Confederacy would have fallen apart by WWI if they had succeeded in gaining independence. Remember, they were the ones who really believed in the superiority of the state over the nation, and interstate disputes (if not just plain stubbornness over policy questions) would have caused further fractures and secessions.
It’s interesting to contemplate what might have happened to the rest of the Union if the Confederacy had won. Would they have remained united, or would the precedents caused similar divisions down the line?
Then a quasi slavery would still exist in the myriad of badly run agrarian oligarchies, military dictatorships, and republics that managed to remain independent then. Argentinas and Bolivias with slavery.
Also it is interesting to note that even though it in theory was about states rights the Confederate constitution’s preamble said it was establishing a “permanent federal government” and nowhere spells out that states had a right to leave the Confederacy. Unlike with other powers they asserted states had.
watching revolutionaries like that try to walk the walk… One part of Marxism (and Lenin’s spiel) was that imperialism was bad and that oppressed or occupied areas would become free, but Lenin at the same time didn’t want to weaken the nation he would come to head by allowing that to happen. Conveniently for him, he found a Georgian named Iosif Djugashvili (who had the codename Koba) who argued that minority nations in Russia should remain with Russia when the revolution occurred, so Lenin elevated him within the party. This Koba would eventually come up with the snazzier moniker of “Stalin” and his rise to power was entirely due to the fact that he was a minority who basically argued against minority independence in the Russian empire.
So, Jefferson Davis and the other founders of the Confederacy didn’t want their nation to allow for secession of states, even that was their whole raison d’etre, eh? Not surprising.
On the other hand, the U.S. (or whatever the Union would have been called had Lincoln said to Jefferson Davis, “Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on your way out” instead of mobilizing troops) probably would be a predominantly “blue” country today. Gore and Kerry would have had no problem getting elected.
an interesting take on how things would have looked after a Confederate win in a series of books by Harry Turtledove starting with this one: http://www.amazon.com/How-Few-…
BTW Al Gore would probably have been a true Blue-blooded son of the South in such a world, just like his daddy.
We probably wouldn’t have had Gore or Bill Clinton. And the Bush family may never have left Connecticut, but then again, they probably would have remained blue-blooded Yankee RINOs, like Prescott Bush was in the ’50s.
one of the most intellectually entertaining “What if?” type of games is contemplating the results of a Confederate victory.
Yes it’s embarassing – she’s 19 and I have been unable to get her to register. But on a street corner today ran into a person registering voters. Told my daughter that this was the best father’s day present in the world and so she registered right there.
It was interesting, the woman did not ask what our affiliation was and did not say who she was with. When I asked she said it’s an Obama effort but they are registering anyone & everyone and not talking up Obama at all. And she didn’t.
When I mentioned that I was an Obama delegate, she did ask me if I would help in the get people registered effort. But that was it.
So strong effort to get people registered, and she clearly handled it exactly as she was supposed to.
And they were doing this at the Cherry Creek Shopping Center which I would guess has a sizeable Republican clientile – so they are going for everyone.
That’s a good gift.
Good summation with links at LRC
They have a video of it all up on YouTube – makes the park police look like a bunch of over-responding jerks.